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Gekko wrote:
I wake up screaming at the top of my lungs, "FUCK YOU". I've never told them that it only happens when all of us are together.
This, this is the best bit, at least for me: I dance delightedly at your refusal to be assimilated by the Borg, at your continued holding up of your hologram refractor, your inner compass that refuses steadfastly to point towards their false north.
Layers and layers of heteronomy: each layer insisting that their brand is superior to the other, like the blacks that hate on gays, or the gays that hate on women, or the black lesbians that hate on men, or the lesbians that hate on the transsexuals, or the blacks that despise blacks that aren't in their tax bracket-
all the scrambling to be at the top of the food chain, and the willingness to sacrifice one another in order to get there
In the creation of this reply I just temporarily munted my spirit on some horrendous imagery of modern sacrificing of one another, particularly children, and I'm in a pretty disgusting place right at this moment so may I simply echo your
FUCK YOU!
to the paradigm in all its expressions and join you in refusing to support the expression of *any* domination and control.
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Now that I've vented I'm going to go back and say a few things about the more personal aspects of this...
My sister is the one who brings up this kind of stuff. I believe we both have the same wound of being insecure about our grasp of knowledge - having grown up in an environment with two PHD parents, where 'being right' and having a solid definition of things is paramount.
We handle this wound in different ways - she goes outward and dominates with her opinions, I go inward and refuse to say a thing for fear of conflict and looking foolish.
Deeper than the wound is the foundation of shame.
I wonder how much of this wouldn't even be a problem if the wound were healed, even in just one of us. It seems like where all this starts to begin with. Maybe I would still be perturbed, and rightfully so, but it wouldn't completely sabotage my ability to think clearly and offer some kind of firm, level refusal
instead of exploding
or shutting down
Because neither of the latter two serve much purpose. But at the place where I am, I wonder if anger is better than silence.
It seems that there are some people who are comfortable with themselves and can handle ignorance with such skill. They gain friendship first by relating to the other person on their own level, but still with genuine interest, and then slowly bring attention to related things once their trust is gained.
Then again I wonder if that scenario is a fairy tale once one's own reality reaches a level of completely irreconcilable difference with the popular version of things.
songsfortheotherkind wrote:
In the creation of this reply I just temporarily munted my spirit on some horrendous imagery of modern sacrificing of one another, particularly children, and I'm in a pretty disgusting place right at this moment
I apologize for this. The last thing I want to do is muddle the evolution you've been finding for yourself. My rants can have a strong effect. I will keep the raw output to my journal and post the distillate from now on.
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Please post it raw. I think songs was just relating where she went with it. Kids are near the bottom of the hierarchy and hardly anyone acknowledges what they go through daily in almost every family.
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Gekko wrote:
I apologize for this. The last thing I want to do is muddle the evolution you've been finding for yourself. My rants can have a strong effect. I will keep the raw output to my journal and post the distillate from now on.
If you censor your Self, I shall be forced to come find you and torture you with liquorice whips.
Pah. what prairie said was it, so censor nothing- I am totally responsible for my own triggers and it was obviously the space that came up for me, but it had nothing whatsoever to do with your writing, it had to do with some images I stumbled across while looking for an image to illustrate my point with. I'm also in a huge rollercoaster state emotionally atm, a spiffing combination of deeply missing En, my own evolution, my period, the transit of McDonalds across the moons of Swiss Cheese and the unmanageable nature of herding squid.
It's all good. I can handle my own stuffz.
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Gekko wrote:
It seems that there are some people who are comfortable with themselves and can handle ignorance with such skill. They gain friendship first by relating to the other person on their own level, but still with genuine interest, and then slowly bring attention to related things once their trust is gained.
Then again I wonder if that scenario is a fairy tale once one's own reality reaches a level of completely irreconcilable difference with the popular version of things.
Important distinction: there are situations in which it's useful to employ the tactic you mentioned, which is when your own wellbeing isn't affected by the ignorance of the other individual. It's much easier to engage on that level when there's little emotional involvement with the other individual: when one has had long experience with the situation and its limited ability to evolve, engaging in such endeavours is only possible if one doesn't care if the other individual remains exactly the same.
There comes a point where it's truly not worth it, such as my recognition that the internet is fast losing its usefulness for me apart from staying in contact with individuals that I want to connect with: there's too much garbage and distraction, too little evolution, too little actual awareness and consciousness for me to be seriously interested in engaging much. With many individuals these days it's basically the same- how much ignorance and stuckness do I need to engage with before I simply accept that this is how it is and move on?
We don't have to put up with everyone else's stuff. *Our* sui generis counts too, and sometimes our sui generis is saying 'you know what? no thanks' and is moving on along...
boogie with me, baby, as we walk on out the door, leaving the paradigm to its own devices...
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Hey, I had two conversations with Rockchick, my 14 year old daughter, the other day, I thought that you would find them amusing.
The first was regarding her tumultuous connection with her on-again, off-again girlfriend (they are apparently on again atm): initially this girl 'wasn't sure' she was a 'real' lesbian, or even bi, but she liked the idea of it and so was prepared to experiment. My daughter was prepared to tolerate that to a point but her enthusiasm for sex eventually won her girlfriend over.Somehow the conversation got around to oral sex and I raised my eyebrows- have you had it yet? No, she said, but I've done it. Oh! I said, you didn't tell me that. What, she grinned, that I'm now an officially certified lesbian? I pretended to wipe a tear from my eye as I said 'oh, you should have told me, we could have had a celebratory plaque made up for the occasion- at least a memorial dinner'. We were laughing with each other while we made up increasingly ridiculous ways to mark the event: I was thinking about it later and thinking how much different it would be for all individuals to experience such total acceptance and freedom to be who they want to be, regardless of age or orientation. Sui generis will transform the world.
The other thing that cracked me up later when I thought about it happened as I was leaving. My second son made a crack at me about vibrators and I waved my hand dismissively, telling him that I haven't had one of those for years now because my last one broke. "Give me $40 bucks, I know exactly where to get you a new one" he said- some internet site that was running a special on 5 vibrators, each with some fabulous gimmick "yeah, I'm getting it for Rockchick". Said individual immediately poked her head out the door "Yes! Mum, give him $80 and get mine while you're at it!" "oh", I said, "is this what you're asking me to buy you for the holidays? Ok, I'll buy it for you just as long as you answer truthfully when someone says "what did your mum get you for christmas?" Second son immediately cracked up laughing.
There is a backstory to this that is about the difference perspectives and attitude can make, involving these two individuals, that had it been dealt with differently could have resulted in prolonged damage to both individuals as well as the entire family dynamic, but I didn't have the perspective required to create that outcome and I shielded them from anyone who did. Now, instead of carrying stories of wounding, of negativity, of victim and other crap, they have a close and intimate relationship that allows them to be utterly comfortable with one another, with what happened and who they are now. In the hands of normals, this would not have been the case at all thanks to programming and the paradigm.
In our family, sexuality is utterly natural, utterly ok and without shame, blame, guilt, rule, diminishment, definition or constriction and it has resulted in a freedom and honesty that I haven't encountered in any other family to date. It does occasionally mean that we have discussions in front of others that the less centred and self balanced find challenging, but we consider that kind of a filtration process in itself- if individuals are going to feel uncomfortable with our level of honesty and openness, then they're going to be uncomfortable around us anyway and they're better off knowing this up front. It also means that 99% of individuals find my eldest son honest to the point of repulsiveness, but he does that deliberately.
I live what it is that I want to be and see in the world. It doesn't always look like I have my shit together, because what the fuck is that anyway? Evolution in the moment sometimes looks
and sometimes it's more like
so who cares? The Pogo Stick of Evolution can be fun! Just don't throw it in someone else's face.
There is Shine in the world, it's just not where the majority are huddled, regurgitating and revolving their programming, calling it innovation and progress. Real progress is when a 14 year old girl loves who she is and lives with utter acceptance within her family- it's only the moronic external world that still lives in the 18th century and has an issue.
So we create our havens from the moronic world. Wonko's Asylum, anyone?
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That was explosive (at least from my perspective, maybe peanuts for you). Thanks for taking the risk. Going out now, will post my reactions and exploration later today.
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