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GoingOn wrote:
Some thoughts on interacting by writing online instead of in person.
I sense I care more about my interpretation, and what I can do with that interpretation, than I do about the writer’s intention. As a result, when I feel virus-based reactions rising while reading something online, the first thing I do is seek to find and destabilize the virus code in me. Once I’ve clarified what the writer did that set off a virus reaction in me, and get the virus destabilized, only then am I able to think about the message as others might interpret it.
If the writer is truly trying to abuse others, it’s better for me to address the issue of the abuse than it is to address the writer. Generally that means not addressing the writer at all. Sometimes it means taking my strengths and skills to a place where like-minded people are working to destabilize that virus code on a grander scale. Sometimes it means using my strengths and skills locally because often the code that was activated in me through the Internet is a foretelling or mirror of what’s going on in my physical area.
None of this hinges on body language, eye contact, Masonic handshakes or anything else, and I think that’s because I am more focused on what’s inside me (the virus codes, my strengths and skills) instead of what was inside the writer at the time and place of the original post.
Sometimes I seek clarification from the writer. It doesn’t matter if the writer is trying to increase the virus in me. If that is the writer’s intent, I can use that to be more of me by being less virus driven. In this forum’s environment, I sense it would be fairly easy to seek clarification, either through public discussion, or through a more private means such as email or private message.
Now, I would hope I would first place myself in a low virus state before seeking clarification. That means, I hope I would not type a stream of accusatory profanity in all caps. Instead, I would prefer to get into a more neutral state, and use words that are less likely to incite riots.
If the writer does not respond, ever, or if the writer responds in a way that again brings virus code to the front of my reaction mode – that still gives me an opportunity to examine what that says about me and the virus within me.
Some time ago on another forum, I requested (privately) a clarification. The original post was not racist or sexist, yet the wording set off virus reactions in me (primarily anger and horror, the ‘Surprise! Anger!’ program http://songsfortheotherkind.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3103#p3103 has more details). The writer responded privately and said the purpose of the post’s wording was in fact to get a reaction from people, while the purpose of the post itself was to get actual feedback. Through this exchange, I confirmed I remain sensitive to issues of abuse, which is not a bad thing.
Further discussions welcomed.
Your mind and Self is a gorgeous garden in which I love to wander. Speaking from the perspective of holding onto Self, using the virus in the highest form the signal can be used- as a carrier signal of and moment by moment opportunity for evolution- is the way that I love to live. There is such great power in the asking of pertinent questions that come from an internal space of peace, nahet, a genuine spirit of enquiry and wanting to engage the energy in a useful and creative way, the true spirit of questioning- not to lead another into a trap, but to truly explore the territory together and create something new, cohesive, profoundly satisfying and a wellspring of pleasure on an intrinsic level
these are the beginnings of the embodied knowing that marks the real Creators from those that cannot create anything new at all
I am not here to bring world peace or to engage with those that cannot Create- peace arises naturally from the essence of sui generis and do no harm, yet that's not my primary focus; I am interested in those that can hold the signal of the sui generis to the point of transformation from observer to Creator in the cosmic sense. There is a level of sui generis that is connected to this, a depth of embodiment of the signal at which point the hologram shifts profoundly
and that which was seen in one way becomes something utterly different. Part of being a Creator is the ability to hold the multiperspectives in the space while giving them no weight at all; even on a Creator level the sui generis is in place, and so is the evolution. What is happening throughout the signal is a profound shift for the Creators as well- and some who have shown their Selves to be unable to evolve are being transported by their own extinction.
It's the fabric out of which the entire multiverse, in all its expressions, is created- to take our Self out of the signal is to accept our own extinction. What you have written about here is part of the living signal, the ability to make gold out of lead...
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The interesting thing about internet forums for me at the moment is the perceived lack of connection between the Beings that are in them. I definitely have a very different experience of being a part of the Pub that most here seem to, and this is becoming apparent to me.
It seems that because of the way that I view connection, and the energetic nature of communication, I come to the point where a particular group, given a certain level of openness and connection, becomes an extended part of my family. It bewilders me when said family goes splat, because I have the idea that connection can overcome many glitches.
Perhaps this idea is erroneous and internet connections are nothing more than the equivalent of casual sex. This isn't what I'm interested in, that's for sure- so how to turn the Pub from casual sex into a true mastermind's group? That's the interesting question. I'm interested in making deep connections with a view to exploring the sui generis signal in a more profound way than is usual for individuals to explore; perhaps I need to shift this desire to a different direction and have the Pub for other kinds of explorations.
I have been puzzled lately by some of the explosions, fragilities and behaviours that have happened here: sudden leavings, individuals falling off various cliff faces, going splat on interior stuff, it's all quite bizarro to me and an interesting place to explore in certain ways. I have no idea what to do with or make of what's happening, so I'm just going to keep creating my Art and see which way things go.
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songsfortheotherkind wrote:
The interesting thing about internet forums for me at the moment is the perceived lack of connection between the Beings that are in them. I definitely have a very different experience of being a part of the Pub that most here seem to, and this is becoming apparent to me.
It seems that because of the way that I view connection, and the energetic nature of communication, I come to the point where a particular group, given a certain level of openness and connection, becomes an extended part of my family. It bewilders me when said family goes splat, because I have the idea that connection can overcome many glitches.
Perhaps this idea is erroneous and internet connections are nothing more than the equivalent of casual sex. This isn't what I'm interested in, that's for sure- so how to turn the Pub from casual sex into a true mastermind's group? That's the interesting question. I'm interested in making deep connections with a view to exploring the sui generis signal in a more profound way than is usual for individuals to explore; perhaps I need to shift this desire to a different direction and have the Pub for other kinds of explorations.
I have been puzzled lately by some of the explosions, fragilities and behaviours that have happened here: sudden leavings, individuals falling off various cliff faces, going splat on interior stuff, it's all quite bizarro to me and an interesting place to explore in certain ways. I have no idea what to do with or make of what's happening, so I'm just going to keep creating my Art and see which way things go.
Gak. I’ve tried several different ways to write my reactions and haven’t yet found wordart to express the thoughtforms. So here’s what I have right now:
I too am interested in deep exploration of the sui generis signal. This is no way negates humour, music or random blurbing; my journey comes to a full stop without humour, music and random blurbing.
The recent surge of virus detonations is not limited to the Pub, although it hits my energy in a different way when it happens in the Pub than when it happens elsewhere. I think that’s because of my expectations, and there’s the problem for me. I should know better than to have expectations! (< -- btw there’s a joke in here)
This is my reality, no one else need accept it: For all of us, and especially for those of us bombarded with mind manipulations via cell phone towers, microwaves and whatever else is going on out there, closeness can be translated as danger. It’s the virus thing: divide and conquer. There are enough targeted individuals who speak out about their experiences for me to accept that voice to skull and related technologies are rampant in western so-called civilization.
Sometimes I think I’m saying too much here, not just in single posts but in general. Then I think ‘Oh well, I’m sure admin can delete when appropriate’ and off I go again. I don’t have any sense of family as I see demonstrated in those around me three dimensionally, so I don’t know if the Pub is an extended family or a group of like-minded souls willing to share their individual experiences.
So, as in the rest of my life, I’ll continue what I’m doing until I’m directed to do something else.
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This is another post I'm looking forward to responding to, and right now I want to write about something else.
Orienting my Self towards the light within me.
Here are some permissions I'm giving my Self:
I release my Self from the feeling of having to keep connections going between my Self and other individuals if there is no longer any juice in those connections. I'm open to the connection evolving into something else, and I'm willing to let things evolve in the way that they're going to evolve.
I release my Self about any concern for how my Art is going: it's my Art, it is evolving the way it's evolving and I can relax into the flow of it all, let the mental and energetic and emotional concerns go.
I release my Self into my own signal, in whatever way that expresses and manifests in me and in my life. I release my Self from the internal feeling that I'm obligated in some way to try and make bridges towards others, or that I'm under some obligation to be some kind of Bridge more than what I naturally am.
I give my Self permission to fully discover what lights up the Shine within me, without being concerned for the concerns and perspectives of any other individual. I allow my Self to fully emerge and express, without paying attention to the distorting influence of the signals of others.
There is much more in these things, I'll explore them in tomorrow's audio: for now, these reminders will be enough.
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Thank you, Songs, for opening another area that could be important for individual exploration.
What I've written here is not meant to distract from your thoughts; these are my thoughts flowing from previous conversations and inspired by what you opened up.
Research on and thought about specific virus-stereotype relationships that affect my evolution revealed the age-old pattern: divide and conquer. There is a twist (isn’t there always?) – in its social/collective/group code, the virus seeks to divide by first uniting as many as possible, so that those who do not comply are automatically excluded from the group. This automatic part is quite brilliant because people don’t need any level of self awareness to enact automated rules of include/exclude. We’re in a giant game of whack-a-mole:
This article http://www.livescience.com/16339-culture-racism.html references a study published online September 17, 2011, in the British Journal of Social Psychology (that I wasn’t able to locate), indicating media may be the basis of many unconscious stereotypes. I’m cautious about trusting psychology and psychiatry, and I think this is an example of “we told you, so it is not our problem that you didn’t pay attention” ass-covering. Not unlike the zombie threat:
I haven’t watched much tv in this lifetime, and I haven’t watched tv at all for the last year. I have missed the most direct recent signals imbedded in tv media which are (imo) designed to imbed themselves in my internal virus. Fortunately I work with people who watch a great deal of tv and I have seen behavioural changes over the last six months. Now, I’m not sure how much of these changes are due to changes in me. It is possible we all started at point M (for Middle), and as I move closer to point C and these people move closer to point V, the changes I see in their behaviours would not seem as dramatic if I had remained at point M. What might also be true is, if I were moving towards point V, I may not be moving at the same rate, so seeing my coworkers racing towards point V could spur me on to a faster pace. As an example, I read anxiety in the one person who didn’t see [whatever tv show is the big talking point at the coffee machine this hour] and I read smug superiority in those who are actively discussing this tv show as if their lives depended on it. Maybe their lives do.
One again, I am quite out of touch with others. For several years, I applied the principle of ‘seek first to understand, then to be understood.’ At the end of that experiment, I realized the only thing I can possibly understand is what’s going on in my world. I care about how individuals respond to an event, and what they’re going to do with that reaction; they’re busy arguing their respective views on why Veronica is the better/worse choice than Betty for Archie. Because I don’t care about the Betty/Veronica debates, I am the office robot: people dump their work on me but don’t bother to communicate anything important because they lack the awareness of anything important to communicate.
Songs mentioned (in her second audio) the American obsession with televisions in restaurants, blaring 24/7 news. It’s likely the same in Canada, at least in parts of Canada. I don’t know, because I haven’t been in a restaurant in years. It struck me that even the act of replenishing one’s body has become a method for destroying one’s soul as well as one’s body: listen to how helpless you are, don’t forget how disconnected and superior you are, and here, have another bite of genetically modified crap.
That’s a long version of this: the less I invite virus activation, the easier it is to spot it. Figuring out where the virus activation is, that’s an ongoing exercise.
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Quotes, quips and coincidences – the virus does not invite questions
“It takes a village to raise a child” (alleged to be an African proverb, although I could not find proof of that) – popularized by US politician Hilary Clinton I agree that the villagers exert influence on a child and generally exert expectations on a child. What about questioning the motives of the villagers before handing a child over to them?
“There is no ‘I’ in team.” I … I …. I don’t even know where to begin. Is the speaker commenting on spelling? Or is the speaker removing all personal responsibility for the outcome of the project at hand?
“Pick the lesser of two evils.” This implies I limit my reality to two choices, which is inconsistent with my reality. But, thanks for the offer.
What commonly-used phrases set off your virus detector?
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"love is all you need"
facile. Utterly facile. And such a crock that it boggles me that any individual falls for the enormous bullshittery that this one is, yet the Gaggle of New Age Flockers spout it constantly.
Any element of the new age religion.
I am actually impressed by the virus with this one: what a really, really clever energy trap the New Age movement is. So much virus wrapped up carefully in so much psuedo-spiritual babble that, if one even tries to virus hack it, the triggering in the other individual is almost immediate; unlike the
reaction of many virus triggered individuals, experiencing new age triggers is more like being incessantly
with sticky black goo disguised as 'caring' and 'love'. I live in an area where there is much new age blibble and the insidiousness of the kind of heteronomy that this movement produces is probably more virulent than any of the obvious hierarchies and domination systems because this one wraps itself under many layers of toxic 'caring' and 'empathy' and 'feel good vibes'. It creates an internal illusion of righteousness that is nearly impossible to dissolve, and so I don't even bother anymore; I do what I do, they get tangled, I let them be tangled and boogie on off in a different direction because I've learned that the new age schtick is where many actually like to be. It makes them feel vastly superior and awakened than the mainstream and there's much internal satisfaction and self image wrapped around that one.
I'm learning that pretty much everything that *isn't* the sui generis and autonomy is not worth engaging these days. I want to evolve, not experience blahdom and frankly engaging those that want to support and champion the virus expressions in themselves while vilifying the same in others gets tedious. I'm happier by the day to leave them to it and just focus on what interests me, which is deepening my own exploration of sui generis and evolution.
"the whole world is evolving"
fnurghhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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The format might be cheesy but there's little sensationalism and a great deal of respect for the subject:
Transgendered children, knowing who they are as young as pre-verbally, being lovingly supported by their parents who deal with their own issues and struggles without burdening their children.
This is sui generis in action: sure, there are typical gender stereotyping things happening as well, but often it's the children themselves choosing this. In the case of 16 year old Chris, his transgender female to male mentor fell in love with Chris's mother who in turn returned the love and they are now a couple planning to marry when Chris finished high school.
There is good stuff out there, there *are* attitudes that are healthy, accepting and beautiful. Not everyone is a dickhead when it comes to these things.
This is lovely to know.
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This is my reality, no one else need accept it: For all of us, and especially for those of us bombarded with mind manipulations via cell phone towers, microwaves and whatever else is going on out there, 
facile. Utterly facile. And such a crock that it boggles me that any individual falls for the enormous bullshittery that this one is, yet the Gaggle of New Age Flockers spout it constantly. 
