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		<title>By: Songs Moon</title>
		<link>http://songsfortheotherkind.com/blog/sui-generis-and-the-evolution-of-consciousness/comment-page-1/#comment-3101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Songs Moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 04:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Mark. 

You asked about the sui generis soul in relationship to the body. The way I observe the framing of that question is the same way that essentially every individual who thinks of their Self as an *single personality* expresses it- two states, body and &#039;soul&#039;. I don&#039;t experience that at all and I never have. I also experience my body as having its own consciousness and intelligence so I don&#039;t &#039;rule&#039; it like a god- it is/is not Me but then, at the heart of it, so is everything. The concept of &#039;soul&#039; then becomes a great deal more complicated than most individuals like it to be: add into the mix the experience of being &#039;many&#039; and yet &#039;one&#039; and it really isn&#039;t as simple, at least for me, as you&#039;ve framed the question. 

&quot;the autonomy of god&quot;- like all gods, without worshippers gods are just Beings doing whatever they&#039;re doing so I don&#039;t really see how such a dependent individual- a &#039;god&#039;- is autonomous. A &#039;god&#039; that proclaims itself as such is practicing heteronomy; a &#039;god&#039; that is proclaimed as such has a choice to practice heteronomy or not. &#039;god&#039; is a job description or label, it means nothing unless there are others to support, uphold or reject the claim. Yurtle the Turtle tried that one and it didn&#039;t go well. All &#039;rulers&#039; are only such by the support of individuals; if all individuals are more occupied with their *own* lives and power then the &#039;god&#039; has the choice to just a) mind their own sui generis and get on with doing whatever they&#039;re doing that involves zero heteronomy or b) cause a fuss in some way or another, all of which involve heteronomy.  Co-existence is one of the tenets of sui generis; &#039;gods&#039; &lt;em&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; co-exist, their egos won&#039;t allow it. True Creators, on the other hand, don&#039;t give two figs for the opinions- or worship- of others: they&#039;re too busy expressing, exploring, creating and looking for fun individuals to hang out with. 

I experience a multiverse full of Creators; I don&#039;t experience gods, nor do I need to. Other individuals may wish to experiment with such  constructs and they&#039;re free to *providing* they don&#039;t force that construct onto any other individual; that&#039;s part of what sui generis is about. 

As for your opinion regarding my use of the term &#039;multiverse&#039;, I have a different life experience to others which informs me of the existence of a multiverse. I don&#039;t need the tick of approval from anyone, particularly a bunch of individuals who can&#039;t seem to make up their minds about anything much, least of all the things that they can&#039;t envision. I actually don&#039;t read much of other individual&#039;s work so I don&#039;t know who Brian Greene is or his particular perspective: I speak from my *own sui generis experience and perspective*, not the platforms of others. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mark. </p>
<p>You asked about the sui generis soul in relationship to the body. The way I observe the framing of that question is the same way that essentially every individual who thinks of their Self as an *single personality* expresses it- two states, body and &#8216;soul&#8217;. I don&#8217;t experience that at all and I never have. I also experience my body as having its own consciousness and intelligence so I don&#8217;t &#8216;rule&#8217; it like a god- it is/is not Me but then, at the heart of it, so is everything. The concept of &#8216;soul&#8217; then becomes a great deal more complicated than most individuals like it to be: add into the mix the experience of being &#8216;many&#8217; and yet &#8216;one&#8217; and it really isn&#8217;t as simple, at least for me, as you&#8217;ve framed the question. </p>
<p>&#8220;the autonomy of god&#8221;- like all gods, without worshippers gods are just Beings doing whatever they&#8217;re doing so I don&#8217;t really see how such a dependent individual- a &#8216;god&#8217;- is autonomous. A &#8216;god&#8217; that proclaims itself as such is practicing heteronomy; a &#8216;god&#8217; that is proclaimed as such has a choice to practice heteronomy or not. &#8216;god&#8217; is a job description or label, it means nothing unless there are others to support, uphold or reject the claim. Yurtle the Turtle tried that one and it didn&#8217;t go well. All &#8216;rulers&#8217; are only such by the support of individuals; if all individuals are more occupied with their *own* lives and power then the &#8216;god&#8217; has the choice to just a) mind their own sui generis and get on with doing whatever they&#8217;re doing that involves zero heteronomy or b) cause a fuss in some way or another, all of which involve heteronomy.  Co-existence is one of the tenets of sui generis; &#8216;gods&#8217; <em>can&#8217;t</em> co-exist, their egos won&#8217;t allow it. True Creators, on the other hand, don&#8217;t give two figs for the opinions- or worship- of others: they&#8217;re too busy expressing, exploring, creating and looking for fun individuals to hang out with. </p>
<p>I experience a multiverse full of Creators; I don&#8217;t experience gods, nor do I need to. Other individuals may wish to experiment with such  constructs and they&#8217;re free to *providing* they don&#8217;t force that construct onto any other individual; that&#8217;s part of what sui generis is about. </p>
<p>As for your opinion regarding my use of the term &#8216;multiverse&#8217;, I have a different life experience to others which informs me of the existence of a multiverse. I don&#8217;t need the tick of approval from anyone, particularly a bunch of individuals who can&#8217;t seem to make up their minds about anything much, least of all the things that they can&#8217;t envision. I actually don&#8217;t read much of other individual&#8217;s work so I don&#8217;t know who Brian Greene is or his particular perspective: I speak from my *own sui generis experience and perspective*, not the platforms of others. <img src="http://songsfortheotherkind.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://songsfortheotherkind.com/blog/sui-generis-and-the-evolution-of-consciousness/comment-page-1/#comment-2929</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2014 14:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great thoughts. It reads a bit like a Doc Bronner&#039;s soap bottle, though. Try to be more systematic in your writing.

That said, I understand your frustration with the concept of a heteronomous God imposing his will on the observable world. Although, I&#039;m curious how you made the leap to &quot;the multi-verse.&quot; Aside for Brian Greene, et al&#039;s  hypothesizing, It&#039;s not exactly good science and doesn&#039;t seem to be affected by your argument.

What I want to know is whether your sui generis soul is a non-physical entity (like God) that exerts heteronomous control over your own body. In other words, is the relationship of your soul and your body akin to the hypothetical relationship of God and the universe? 

If so, is it possible for one&#039;s individual autonomy to coexist in apparent but not actual antinomy with with the autonomy of GOD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts. It reads a bit like a Doc Bronner&#8217;s soap bottle, though. Try to be more systematic in your writing.</p>
<p>That said, I understand your frustration with the concept of a heteronomous God imposing his will on the observable world. Although, I&#8217;m curious how you made the leap to &#8220;the multi-verse.&#8221; Aside for Brian Greene, et al&#8217;s  hypothesizing, It&#8217;s not exactly good science and doesn&#8217;t seem to be affected by your argument.</p>
<p>What I want to know is whether your sui generis soul is a non-physical entity (like God) that exerts heteronomous control over your own body. In other words, is the relationship of your soul and your body akin to the hypothetical relationship of God and the universe? </p>
<p>If so, is it possible for one&#8217;s individual autonomy to coexist in apparent but not actual antinomy with with the autonomy of GOD.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl-ann</title>
		<link>http://songsfortheotherkind.com/blog/sui-generis-and-the-evolution-of-consciousness/comment-page-1/#comment-2508</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheryl-ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Jim - Have been on my alone island for a long time - So heartful to know others have my opinion. xxx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jim &#8211; Have been on my alone island for a long time &#8211; So heartful to know others have my opinion. xxx</p>
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		<title>By: Songs Moon</title>
		<link>http://songsfortheotherkind.com/blog/sui-generis-and-the-evolution-of-consciousness/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Songs Moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Woah! Yum! That&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about indeed! :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah! Yum! That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talking about indeed! <img src="http://songsfortheotherkind.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Farley</title>
		<link>http://songsfortheotherkind.com/blog/sui-generis-and-the-evolution-of-consciousness/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Farley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For some time, I have been thinking of evolution in terms of my personal etymological derivation: &quot;out of the volute&quot;. And the volute is the fundamental fractal spiral in three dimensions. 

Here, have a fractal volute! http://www.goldenmean.info/realgrail/mandelbrot3D.gif]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some time, I have been thinking of evolution in terms of my personal etymological derivation: &#8220;out of the volute&#8221;. And the volute is the fundamental fractal spiral in three dimensions. </p>
<p>Here, have a fractal volute! <a href="http://www.goldenmean.info/realgrail/mandelbrot3D.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldenmean.info/realgrail/mandelbrot3D.gif</a></p>
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